2012-06-12 Digital Breadcrumbs

@VagendaMagazine In which state or in general? #
@andydiggle Wasn't the point that characters couldn't get out of their own way enough to see eye-to-eye on shit? They weren't special ops… #
@andydiggle …Most days you can't get 2 people on internet to agree or co-ordinate shit & that's without immediate survival being an issue. #
@andydiggle I mean, I get that everyone's getting hung up on Lindelof connection, but Scott has form on making movies that piss people off. #
@andydiggle …And also on spinning incoherence out of solid writing work: http://t.co/bETsxELH #
@steevbishop BAD CONTINYUITY THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE LINDELOF SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF. #
@steevbishop …WHAT DOES THE TABLE LAMP EVEN MEAN? #
@steevbishop IF THIS FUCKING BORING ASS SHOE DOESN'T PAY OFF IM GONNA KILL SOMONENE! #
@TinyMaster EVERYTHING? (I actually quite like how BSG panned out, though that very last scene was heavy-handed… #
@TinyMaster …Though it always amuses me that, aside from occasional geek wryeness, people are relatively low on nerd-rage about it.) #
@emslj Was there any audience participation? I think I imagined there'd be audience participation. #
@emslj "Now it's Monday" is the most beautifully weighted three word sentence in history. EVEN BETTER than all the others. #
@andydiggle Pedantry has so little application in real-life (or real fictional life). Liked how Lost handled whole dissemination of data. #
@TinyMaster Ah. Whereas I felt like there was a very clear loss of cohesion at the point of New Caprica. An untidy scrabble to fit stuff in. #
@TinyMaster (I LOVED it throughout, but at the time I know it felt like I was in a minority of people who let the Watchtower stuff slide.) #
@TinyMaster (I fucking LOVE the idea of songs that are universal, as hippyish as it is, so that got a buzz out of me.) #
@andydiggle Ah, I don't know about that. I don't think you get to have Prisoner, David Lynch or Cronenberg if you apply that rule. #
@andydiggle Or most fairy tales. If you have an ACTION movie, sure. But I think people get too hung-up on trying to outsmart their stories. #
@TinyMaster Hah, good call… been thinking about it since mentioned it earlier. #
Bear McCreary really is one of the things that BSG got absolutely right. #
@granulac Serenity and patience? I don't know. Never been able to manage either. #
@charltonbrooker It can copy a human down to the smallest detail, but it isn't human. #
@emslj What did you do? Did you trust his lies? AFTER I SPECIFICALLY TATTOOED ON YOU THAT YOU SHOULDN'T? #
@acheverton Hah… so totally in the middle on this one. So much I loved that the little bits I didn't are NO WAIT FAT APOLLO! @TinyMaster #
@acheverton …WHY won't Roslin JUST DIE? Also, what, STARBUCK SPACE ANGLE? @TinyMaster (Seriously, I did love it.) #
@emslj !!SEIL SIH TSURT TON OD!! #
@acheverton I didn't actually mind that that was the case, so much that it was totally off-the-cuff last minute & dismissed… #
@acheverton Never had a problem with eleventh hour story crazy like that, but if you're going to do it, you have to sell the hell out of it. #
@acheverton No, but… it ALL matters, during their lifetime. It's just on a cosmic scale that it doesn't. That's… just life, isn't it? #
@acheverton I didn't have huge issue with the individual story-elements, so much as how totally undersold it was by the pacing/edit. #
@acheverton (In these cases I just swap out "God" for "the universe", & it instantly changes my frowny face into a "wow" one.) #
@acheverton NO place, really? Wow, I didn't know fiction had so many RULES. #
@acheverton That makes it WAY more boring than I'd previously realised. #
@acheverton Well, that's not an issue with God in fiction, that's an issue with lazy writing. #
@acheverton There's a solid argument that God is woven into BSG from VERY early on. What show fails at constantly is nailing dismount. #
@acheverton Whoops, those crossed over. #
@acheverton I don't know, sir. I think it was worryingly clear that that was where they were heading from middle point. #
@ryanklindsay That's a fair point. You're primed to read my review now, then? It's LONG, btw. http://t.co/4Hy5fTZI #
@ryanklindsay Thanks, man. Glad you liked it. #
Lost track… so @sarcastathon is trolling her FB friends with her hilarious genitals, & @MhairiMcF wishes @rob_hyde would stop doing same? #
I am not touching any of these "sexualising children at the Daily Mail" links with a bargepole. Been caught out like this before. #
@tetrarchangel Plastic. #
@charltonbrooker IS POSSESSED BY DEMONS! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! #
@tetrarchangel Easy is relative. Seriously, where the fuck is anyone going to get obsidian? #
Fucking hell. @timminchin's White Wine In The Sun is a bit emotioney whatever the time of year, eh? #
@tetrarchangel This… isn't going to be one of those Left Behind style books, is it? #
@tetrarchangel "…& the earth will turn to gold, & the monkey will lie down with the cheetah, & Gabriel will call his soldiers home." #
@tetrarchangel Oh well that fucking clinches it. I've just helped you nail down a detail in your crazy cult propaganda novel, haven't I? #
@tetrarchangel Fucking knew this'd happen. I never learn my lesson. #
@tetrarchangel Blimey. #
Played 1st game of Risk in ages yesterday – got it for my birthday – in ages. Great game, but pieces uninspiring. Are alternates available? #
@SamShepherd Fascinating. Actually hadn't even considered this, despite being a bit uncomfortable with over-sharing of kid stuff. #
@SamShepherd (But that's more about how the world reacts to that stuff. LOVE the little short vids of my nephew that sister shared on YT… #
@SamShepherd …but we all know what internet commenters are like, innit?) #
@acheverton Hm. Really thinking more about pieces that are closer to the Carcassonne/Game Of Thrones aesthetic, but may consider zombies… #
This rain is brilliant. When the sun comes through the clouds & it warms up a little later today, my garden will love it. …what? #
@bimadew Oooh, good news! (IS it good news? Your simile gave a sense more of desperation than love, which doesn't sound right.) #
@sispurrier Hah, oh god that's AWFUL. The marketing people on the movie, across the board, have been dreadful. It's flawed but not that bad. #
The hierarchy of fiction writing is interesting; a trickle down effect. Think it goes: Movies – Television – Books – Comics… #
…people in comics apply a scrutiny to film/tv on a regular basis that the work of their peers might not stand up to… #
@kierongillen You're a board game genius – where would I find custom Risk pieces? The bits that come with the current edition are shit. #
@kierongillen (I'm too used to the beautifully simple aesthetic of Carcassonne & Game Of Thrones to fuck around with tiny wobbly infantry.) #
@emslj ALIEN PENIS? #
@NicWilko Internet, mainly! #
@Sulman It also doesn't make it any MORE valid, but thanks for clarifying that, you know how I get. #
Hah, tracking Prometheus response, Lindelof just RT'd wonderful double-header tweet: #
https://t.co/ZlcJiyfZ – "I just spent 8 hours rewatching a film I didn't enjoy. For 4 of those I was breaking the law." Fucking genius. #
@Sulman Of course! Opinion is beautiful. No requirement for everyone to append IMHO or anything. But also no mandate to be so definitive. #
@groonk I liked it, with reservations. It took me far enough to a story that I wanted to hear that I was happy to go the extra distance… #
@groonk …HOWEVER, that extra distance was I think more by accident than design. A lot of mishandling going on. Mainly editing, I think. #
@groonk Bleated on about it here: http://t.co/4Hy5fTZI . Bear in mind I tend to have democratic approach to media to a fault. #
@groonk I thought it was about as flawed as Ink, but prettier, & I loved that. Should I expect more than that from Scott? Probably. #
@groonk I've got a blind-spot for the term "plot holes", to be honest. I don't tend to see them. Most raised so far made sense to me. #
@groonk If anything I think it underplayed the potential for weight too much in the latter half. & yeah, agreed. Most of the distance I… #
@groonk …had to cover was in that final act. & THAT was more about bringing it in line with Alien franchise than was healthy for the film. #
@groonk Read my review. I'd like to know what you think. Then I've got a couple of better ones for you to read! #
@kierongillen You know they aren't dissimilar in build, except the infantry are too tiny to stand. Balls. (That does look nice.) #
Fucking love @faitherinhicks. She reviews Alien here: http://t.co/7defvjR2 & Prometheus here: http://t.co/9DnCapfw WITH SPOILERS & AWESOME. #
@grrlpowercomic Earth wouldn't know how to IDENTIFY dumbest scientists. Suspect there are still dumber, even in the future. @faitherinhicks #
@grrlpowercomic Hah, well, I imagine Steve Irwin might've been more comfortable with weird alien lifeform than crazy giant alien building. #
@Sulman @sarahditum @nathanditum I think it's fair to say that one can't rely on a brilliant movie from Scott OR Cameron any more. #
@Sulman Or Spielberg for that matter. Not including Lucas in there for obvious reasons. @sarahditum @nathanditum #
@Sulman I guess Titanic was as big a deal in New York as it was in Southampton? @steevbishop #
@Sulman Hm… I only saw it once at the cinema, so my memory is hazy, but it wasn't of a solid movie. Need rewatch? @nathanditum @sarahditum #
http://t.co/YKvBkF5o – Does anybody know what this pigeon is doing? It was a bit weird to watch. #
@steevbishop HEY WAIT THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN ERECTION… @Sulman #
@Sulman Did Cameron ever state intention? It felt like he was trying to make a clumsy ecological movie at the time. @nathanditum @sarahditum #
@Sulman Oh, I know… I meant whether he'd intended to make a kid's movie. Remember it being pretty violent. By proxy. #
@Sulman Did you see John Carter? I thought it hit similar bullet-points, but had bags of charm. The world didn't see it that way, mind. #
@Sulman It's not dissimilar in subject matter, either – both are science-fantasy, but Carter is more swashbuckle than power-suit. #
@TinyMaster I PROMISE I won't watch any football. On the other hand, I liked Prometheus, so my opinion probably doesn't count for much. #
@sarahditum OH MY GOD if you're hating on noodles, everything is up in the air. #
@Sulman OH NO! You should be fucking ashamed of that. & you delivered your own set-up! OUCH! But I liked it. @sarahditum #
Paging @nathanditum: @sarahditum is in state of emotional collapse. We saw this with PKD. Belief in psychedelic alien abduction imminent. #
@Sulman I thought living in the US would cure your puns, but if anything you're getting worse. @sarahditum #
@Sulman OR BETTER? @sarahditum #
@Sulman Yeah? You read those? I keep seeing them in collected form, consider them, but haven't picked them up yet. #
@Sulman Want to dip back into that universe, though, so maybe this week! #
@Sulman Ah, that's fairly normal. When they focus on likeness TOO much, you often end up with a static page, so could be worse! #
http://t.co/GvrJHvbv – Oh for fuck's sake. Some people can't even follow their own argument, can they? #
…Defending the guy who tried to claim creative ownership of Venom on ownership of Angela, based on "it deriving from pre-existing works"? #
Oh tut. Shouldn't have read that Guardian Prometheus post. More blame on script. But we haven't SEEN the script. We've seen Scott's film… #
…I admit that I've probably done that before, but I'm not the one complaining of unscientific scientists. Have to observe to measure. #
@SamShepherd It's the comments, not the post. The post is pretty charitable with the bits it doesn't like. #
Regardless of script, it seems obvious that SOMEONE wanted to make a 2001-esque film. And Scott doesn't have a film that deep in his CV. #
(Blade Runner has BECOME that deep, but only because that pure a noir movie leaves a lot of room for interpretation… #
…IIRC when given the opportunity, Scott tries to close down the only real ambiguity in the movie.) #
@Sulman Well, that doesn't surprise me – I don't know the film nearly as well as you do, but got that impression! #
@sarahditum Self-reflecting syntax for the win. Or ftw. Is what we might say if we were cool kids. OMG MY FAVOURITE JUST DIED. @Sulman #
@SamShepherd The thing is… I quite LIKE poring over & generating ideas. Asking the questions is half the fun of experiencing media for me. #
@SamShepherd …More than the answers. I've seen it suggested in a couple of places that that is a negative behaviour, though. #
@thisbrokenwheel Well, don't ever get into a conversation with Ridley Scott about whether or not Deckard is a replicant, then. #
@thisbrokenwheel He will BURST THAT BUBBLE for ya in a second. #
@thisbrokenwheel I thought I'd heard that, you know. The first pilot we ever met was on a ship carrying those damn things, which killed him. #
@thisbrokenwheel That isn't even subtext. #
@Sulman There's difference between skeptical enquiry & engagement of imagination. We're all capable of both, & no value judgement on either. #
@Sulman (Coming from me, anyway.) But apparently the reason I liked the end of Lost is because I was tricked into it by cynical writers. #
@Sulman …which, you know, some might think is how entertainment works. It just doesn't work for everyone the same way, obvs. #
@Sulman I sometimes think that the internet would like to kill suspension of disbelief, the same way it wants to kill religion. #
@Sulman Actually, for me suspension of disbelief only requires good will, & that can be built up a number of different ways. Logic only one. #
@Sulman Hah, really? As well as you know me, you think I really didn't have a dozen alternates tweets that could have gone there. #
@Sulman Generalisation is the LEAST of my worries. Trying too hard to see every side is a bigger problem. #
@MhairiMcF Hang on, I'll find you that post someone did about Robin Hood. @Sulman #
@MhairiMcF (While also mentioning how close dialogue in Natural Born Killers was to Tarantino's original script.) @Sulman #
@Sulman That isn't entirely true, now, is it? You aren't a robot. We're more than capable of applying a voice to words, & we choose which. #
@Sulman I'm assuming @mhairimcf is responding to something I said, about how the script & the film are different things? #
@Sulman Specifically, the idea that the script is read as it's written? @mhairimcf #
@Sulman Unearnt? Brilliant. So you REALLY believe that I think the WHOLE internet wants to kill religion? #
@MhairiMcF http://t.co/muMM6466 – The history of Ridley Scott's Robin Hood, script to screen. It's a bit florid, but reveals a bit. #
@MhairiMcF ? #
@MhairiMcF I think you're referring to something but I'm not sure what? "Haven't seen the script"? "Mangled genius"? #
Amy has worked out how to pitch movies to Hollywood. Four word high concepts. Post-dinner pastime, creating laughs where there weren't any. #
Hell yes, we're watching Piranha 3dd! Doubt anything will be as impressive as Jerry O Connell's penis, mind. http://t.co/C3y5ehLI @GetGlue #
Yay, Adult Pool! Totally stupid idea! http://t.co/C3y5ehLI @GetGlue #Piranha3DD #
Fucking brilliant. This film couldn't be more slutty & gross. http://t.co/C3y5ehLI @GetGlue #Piranha3DD #
Yay! Christopher Lloyd! http://t.co/C3y5ehLI @GetGlue #Piranha3DD #
Of dude. This film is really gleefully going after the horror trope that unmarried sex deserves punishment. http://t.co/C3y5ehLI @GetGlue #
Also oh my god, penis mutilation! Again! http://t.co/C3y5ehLI @GetGlue #Piranha3DD #
Oh god, that might've just been the best line in cinema history. I'd tell you but it's a spoiler. http://t.co/C3y5ehLI @GetGlue #Piranha3DD #
The Hoff! convincingly mortified at "rock bottom". http://t.co/C3y5ehLI @GetGlue #Piranha3DD #
Bizarrely that was both more transgressive and gratuitous, & less impacting than the first one. The final set piece … http://t.co/C3y5ehLI #
Beautiful looking movie so far. Proper epic. http://t.co/gwL8oyll @GetGlue @immortalsfilm #
Yay! Our friend Rose is going to be out with us in a couple of weeks! Hardly ever see her, & lots of fun when we do. #